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I’m just graduated in 2021 as an ACNP and while I have gotten plenty of interviews most won’t hire me & the recruiters aren’t honest in saying the reason! I think the real issue is that over 20 years ago.. TWENTY! I had some things on my background but my licenses is clear & I never have had an issue as a RN and I think this maybe the reason, when they pull up my license e they read the Declaration. When do I get a break & am forgiven 🥺
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Love it here.
Great money for part time work, love the people I work with and there is always someone you can call if you have a question
Wish we were open more days!
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Money. You can make a fortune ripping people off
Medical recommendations given to patient that 100% will never benefit from regenerative medicine. Physicians and midlevels who are not trained in candidate selection
Great for provider autonomy, difficulties being managed by non-medical staff
- Provider autonomy - little micromanaging in the medical sense making decisions for patients - Patient relationships
- Salary - not competitive for my area (although I assume each franchisee controls their own staff pay, so that could differ for other PA's and NP's) - Training - You need to really advocate for yourself (even be pushy) to get additional training if you want it - CME's - not paid for
At the particular franchise for which I work, the management is fantastic; I feel appreciated and valued.
People without medical training or experience should not be in charge of decision making for a medical company; especially when those decisions directly affect patient care. The experiences that I have had with this company make me very concerned at times. In order to protect my patients and my license, I feel that I am without support from corporate and very few people outside of my small office. In short, I feel that this company’s first priority is not patient safety, as it should be, and their last priority is the safety, protection and wellbeing of the staff. If you have a license to protect, make sure to carry extra insurance, and stay updated regarding evidence-based practice.
money hungry franchise
Money is good I was able to be autonomous in my practice, but I was the only provider there (not the case in all clinic locations) Marc was super helpful as a coach
corporate support for the business was non-existent lack of leadership a sales-person is responsible for "closing" the sale and obtaining care credit (or similar) behind closed doors. I did not have an ethical sales clerk, so some patients were approved that should not have been and they struggled to make payments. Practice owners don't have to be medical and they want profits, which creates an unethical "salesy" environment that doesn't focus on patient wellbeing or outcomes. NPs and PAs are the work horses. You're not guaranteed any breaks. They schedule new patients every 30 minutes and injections every 30 minutes and the two schedules don't talk to each other - you're just expected to keep up. You aren't likely to get a lunch break during that time either, and you won't get out of the office when they say you will! There were many nights I got out of the office at 7pm or later when I was supposed to be done at 5pm.
Experience is franchise-owned dependent
The owner of the practice i work at is fantastic! He encourages me to make independent clinical decisions and is easy to talk with. As the only provider at a location, I decide which days of the week the clinic is open. Opportunity for new procedure training Potential for more hours as the franchise grows CASH services only!! No insurance to deal with! Documentation is simple since this is cash-only services and you’re only treating orthopedic pain symptoms
Corporate is not as organized as they think they are. Being a newer franchise, there are a lot of communication and management kinks to be worked out. Busy schedule. Call center cannot see procedure schedule, so there’s a likelihood of being completely double booked all day. New patient appointments are scheduled for 30 minutes, but the patient is in office for up to 2 hours if they start care.
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no consistency and had to be changing all the time, you would give advice and they had to have it there way, been there a year and never even received employee handbook
Good job not for long term growth
Small company, close team energy
No room for growth, stuck feeling
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Flexible schedule, helping people, opportunity for growth, endless potential for earnings
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QC Kinetix Pricing: What Can We Learn from an Invoice?
I’ve blogged a few times about a clinic chain run by mid-levels offering low-level regenerative medicine care and charging top dollar. Today we’ll go over an invoice from that clinic chain, called QC Kinetix, and use that to learn about the differences between real clinical orthobiologics and an outfit built on sales. Let’s dig in.
An Invoice Posted Online
A physician in the Carolinas had a patient visit a local QC Kinetix franchise and then run to his office for an explanation of what QC wanted to do. The patient handed him the above form, which described treatment for his feet. This morning we’ll dissect this “treatment plan” to learn about the differences between a physician expert trying to help someone and a sales operation. However, before we do that, let’s get into what’s wrong with this patient.
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This patient’s doctor contacted me with the following message about the above bill:
“He’s a smart guy, and skedaddled outta there when he smelled the ________. But before he did they were able to come up with this boilerplate…plan within 10 mins of him stepping in the door.
His complaints are basically “neuropathy” in the feet only, so exactly where they were proposing to treat is a mystery. I’m not even sure we will be able to help him….but he’s got beaucoup mechanical issues including L5 pars, spondylolosthesis, NFS, NR impingement at L5 and S1 so we may try to address those issues —- with minimal promises of improvement in “neuropathy.”
- Peripheral neuropathy
- Grade 2 L5-S1 spondylolisthesis
- Foraminal stenosis at L5-S1
- Facet osteoarthritis and hypertrophy at L5-S1
Going Over the “Treatment Plan”
On the invoice above is a treatment plan. That consists of:
- Plasma Therapy
- 2 weeks later, PRP
- 2 weeks after that, A2M
- 4 weeks later, PRP
- 3 months after that, prolotherapy
What does this treatment plan look like to an expert in this space? In my opinion, it’s nutty for many reasons. Let’s go over those.
First, the mantra who, what, why, and where applies. Meaning:
- Who will perform the procedure?
- What will be injected?
- Why is it being injected?
- Where will it be injected (which structure)?
As far as “who” is concerned, the physician subspecialist and the patient believe that the mid-level (NOT a doctor) is the one who would have performed the procedure. This is consistent with what I have seen from QC Kinetix. Is this appropriate for this type of patient who needs a spine procedure? Not in my opinion. The expertise required to treat a patient like this could only come from a highly trained physician super specialist in interventional spine who would have double the training of a mid-level (NOT a doctor).
What will be injected is detailed, but that brings up why it’s being injected. Let’s start with “plasma therapy”. What’s that? Is that “a thing” in spinal orthobiologics? Not really as that’s just taking the plasma from the blood. Meaning, searching the US National Library of Medicine for “plasma therapy lumbar”, there is nothing at all published. Next up is “PRP” therapy and that appears twice. That could help, but that depends on “where” as we’ll discuss below. “A2M” is a therapy that isolates the larger plasma proteins, one is A2M (alpha-2-macroglobulin) which may be able to help reduce cartilage breakdown, but used in this context of this patient and this level of basic injection care, makes no sense. Meaning this might be helpful if the provider performing the procedure was interventional spine trained physician who could place this accurately into the arthritic facet joints at L5-S1, but that’s not what’s being contemplated here (see below). Finally, prolotherapy can be helpful in tightening ligaments, which is consistent with what a mid-level (NOT a doctor) could do with a simple blind or ultrasound guide injection.
There’s also another side here to “why”. This patient has come into the clinic to get his neuropathy treated. While that could have something to do with his low back nerves being irritated by the spondylolisthesis (slipped vertebra), it may have nothing to do with it at all. Meaning that injecting this stuff at “L5-S1” may have ZERO effect on his neuropathy symptoms.
Finally, we come to the biggest issue with this treatment plan, where will all of this stuff be injected? Again, a highly trained interventional spine expert using fluoroscopy guidance could inject the following structures:
- L5-S1 facets
- Epidural space at L5-S1 (preferably transforaminal)
- The atrophied multifidus muscles
- Specific ligaments like the iliolumbar, supraspinous, and interspinous
However, a mid-level (NOT a doctor) could only generally inject about half of these structures. Placing PRP in some of these spots could make sense, as long as we knew that this guy’s neuropathy had something to do with his low back problem. We have no data that A2M or plasma will help. Prolotherapy could help, but in my experience, once the slipped vertebra gets this bad, it usually doesn’t move the needle.
Candidacy and Timing
What the invoice above fails to tell us is whether this guy is a Good or Poor candidate for this treatment. If I were seeing him in the office and with what his physician specialist relayed, neither of us feel that it’s more likely than not that his peripheral neuropathy could be helped with any platelet or blood-based treatment plan. Meaning rather than the “hard sell”, he would get the opposite. We would caution him that his chance of having the numbness in his feet go away with our treatment of his spine is less than 50/50. As a result, he may choose not to get treated at all.
Finally, the timing of these treatments is, in my opinion, bizarre. Meaning that in our clinics, he would get an initial trial treatment with platelet-based therapy in all of the spots discussed above, and then we would wait 4-6 weeks to make sure he had a response before even offering him a second or subsequent treatment. That’s because there is a significant and reasonable doubt that he can be helped. Jamming a bunch of treatments into that first 6 weeks is more likely than not to cost more and expose the patient to more risk.
As I’ve written before, a big concern is that QC Kinetix employs professional salespeople who upsells from a basic form filled out by a mid-level (NOT a doctor). In my opinion, this is a serious problem from a medical standpoint as the medical treatment plan is usually fixed in stone based on a risk/benefit analysis. Meaning, that while adding procedures to the patient’s plan may maximize clinic income, that’s usually not medically appropriate.
The upshot? This is what I have come to expect from QC Kinetix. In my opinion, this is an aggressive sales outfit that runs clinics staffed by mid-levels (Not a doctor). I’m glad this patient got the vibe of the hard sell and ran out the door. My concern is for all of the patients that never figure that out.
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Knees have been hurting ever since I started playing soccer again after 3 yrs. Wanted to see if it was just regular wear and tear due to old age or something more serious like arthritis. After the consultation and a brief physical, they laid out their treatment. As good as it sounded, the price came out to $13K, which is a bit more than previously expected. Anyone here have any experience with them to see if they're as effective as they sound before I fork over most of my savings?
I don't have experience with them specifically, but I did have "regenerative therapy" done on a damaged shoulder with torn tendons and other joint damage. It worked. The torn tendon that was 75 percent torn was fully filled in a few months after the therapy. That was done with stem cells scraped out of my pelvis, so I don't know what treatment options you are looking at. Yours sounds expensive, so probably stem cell. Before you go that route and pay that much money, you should see an orthopedic or sports medicine doctor, get the MRI, get a detailed diagnosis for what is actually wrong. There are many other therapies that are less expensive and less intrusive, and regenerative healing is certainly not magic.
Same process you explained. Even down to the pelvic needle llol. Thanks for the input. Do you have any recommendations where to get checked that won't cost an arm and a leg? Places I've called cost over 200 just for a consultation
Have you considered seeing a rheumatologist or orthopedic surgeon for $300 first?
300 for a consultation alone?
If your knees were fine then started hurting after returning to the sport following a long break I would think the pain is not related to an underlying condition but the increase in activity. If it were something degenerative you would have had hints before you started playing again.
If it were me, I'd exhaust cheaper/free options before dropping $13k on something that may we'll be fixed with some physical therapy and conditioning.
My frame of reference is running, so pretty similar to soccer. Coming back from down time or an injury definitely gives me aches and pains that aren't there when I'm well trained. Takes a couple months to get back to normal and that's if I'm already in decent shape from other activities.
I’m also a runner, this was my thought too. I would get a second opinion and make sure it’s not an overuse injury from ramping up too fast. Try to find a doctor who specializes in sports medicine and is preferably active themselves. (The best thing I ever did was find a foot&ankle specialist who is also an endurance athlete!)
Go see an actual orthopedist before you try something like this. Dr. Dockery at OrthoCarolina is an incredible sports medicine surgeon and works with the UNC Charlotte athletes. It could be number of things and several of the solutions may be less than $13k. Surgery is always a last resort and orthopedic surgeons recognize that. Also, straight up ask your orthopedist what he thinks about QC Kinetix. I’m not familiar with it, but it seems odd they’d slap a price tag on something if they’re not sure what it is or caused by.
Yeah that's what threw me off, they went straight to arthritis after a brief examination. Idk if that's common but I may check Ortho and get a 2nd opinion. Thanks
That is what happened to my husband. No diagnosis really. They indicated in the first visit that it really didn't matter what it was. These shots fix multiple issues. That should have been a huge red flag, but when you are in pain, you want relief and to get it without surgery is pretty appealing. Paid $7,000. The shots themselves are painful and he got very little relief in 6 months. They gave him 6 more months of shots beyond what the program was because his outcome was so poor. He had no improvement in a year.
He went to the ortho, which he acknowledges should have been step one. His knees are bone on bone. He will have 2 knee replacements this year. He regrets going to QC Kinetics. Our advice would be to get a diagnosis first. Being an optimist didn't fix it.
Flexogenix is better. Their hyaluronic acid injections are good for arthritis and just regular wear and tear. They also do steroid injections, regenerative therapy, etc. They also accept major Insurances. Just go in for a consultation
I'll give them a try. Thanks. Do you know how much it would've been without insurance? Idk if my insurance would cover it unfortunately
Dr. B. Springer at Ortho Carolina is rated as one of best knee specialists nationally. As others mentioned, they often do platelete rich plasma treatment at their clinic as well as traditional physical therapy.
In regards to QC Kinetix, I need help guys!!!! It started with a google review and has turned into a battle of Ethics in Health Care.
I wrote a google review on my mothers experience the past year with QC, here it is:
"QC KINETIX IS A SCAM! Please Listen!! My mother has suffered from the problems of Osteoarthritis for many years now. Pain from her elbows, knee, and shoulder most specifically. She heard of this treatment from a radio ad and went in for a "free" consultation. During this consultation they do PRP (plasma injections) which is suppose to be the first part of their Non-Surgical regeneration. Again they told my mother it was free but anything past this into more extensive treatment would require payment. My mother said she would have to think about it and signed paperwork for a possible second visit. However after my mother spoke to her Neurologist, her neurologist Dr. Subramony stated "the stem cell approach QC Kinetix does is still sketchy as we cannot connect them the same way the brain normally does." Dr.Subramony goes on to recommend gene testing for Ataxia before anything else as there are many more clinical trials more fully understood that can help with pain. After telling QC Kinetix of this and our choice to not go through with the treatment, they began to BLACK BALL my mother by telling us they already charged a third-party credit card company known as Green Sky 10,000$ for the treatment. My mother tried to talk to them at the main QC Kinetix office in Ocala but said they were extremely rude and attacking her for not getting the procedure. They said to figure out the situation her self and now the credit card company is after her for the 10,000$ payment. I am not someone who is against stem cell research or work, I actually told my mother the potential is very high and she should go in for the consultation as I know the benefits certain Multipotent cells can have as a UF graduate applying to Medical Schools. HOWEVER the way my mother was treated was so disrespectful and demeaning I can not stand how this company is being run. It preys on the poor and unsuspecting that really need help for pain and attacks them if they do not follow through on the "experimental" methods they use. There is a reason insurance companies must not pay for these treatments and its probably because they treat their patients so poorly. I will update you on the situation going further and if legal action is taken against this company who has set up an elaborate scam."
You can find the review here: https://www.google.com/search?q=qc+kinetix+&sxsrf=AOaemvITu_wyEMkyku_D_wzheBCnc2_T9A%3A1643303587471&ei=o9LyYd6dHMiGwbkPtbyxsAI&ved=0ahUKEwie-9r0ttL1AhVIQzABHTVeDCYQ4dUDCA4&uact=5&oq=qc+kinetix+&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyBAgjECcyBAgjECcyBAgjECcyEwguEIAEEIcCELEDEMcBEK8BEBQyCggAEIAEEIcCEBQyCwguEIAEEMcBEK8BMgoILhDHARCvARBDMgUIABCABDIFCAAQgAQyCAgAEIAEEMkDOgcIIxCwAxAnOgcIABBHELADSgUIPBIBMkoECEEYAEoECEYYAFCdBVidBWCBCGgCcAJ4AIABmwGIAZsBkgEDMC4xmAEAoAEByAEJwAEB&sclient=gws-wiz
Guess what: I wrote that at 11pm on the 26th and they responded that night too. Check it out if you want its some defensive stuff. But even moreso the next morrning the CEO and co-CEO of the franchise reached out to my mom asking to speak to me.
After a 47min long call of back and forth and fighting on the ethics of what they had done, today on the 27th, co-CEO Michael Katz said he's willing to drop the price down to 5,000$ ONLY IF I DELETE MY GOOGLE REVIEW!
they said its our choice if we want the treatment or not but we will be paying no matter what.
They wanna speak again tomorrow but for now I'm writing a piece on everything that happened because its unbelievable.
What do I do??
I don't understand how they charged you. A third party credit card company? What? What form of payment did she give them? If nothing, then I don't see how they can even come after you. You got no service. Seem like they're trying to intimidate you into paying even though they have no legal way to charge you. You probably should consult with a lawyer.
Nope you are correct this is a scam, don’t back down. There are zero patient trials and outcome data with this treatment.
I went to the Raleigh clinic. In my opinion It is a scam, $12000 wasted for hip and knee treatments that left me in worse condition.
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These people who work in this business should be ashamed of themselves. They promise you the moon and deliver a bag full of ****. They could have given me 5
Good - based on 67 reviews ; 5 stars 55 pcs ; 4 stars 0 pc ; 3 stars 1 pc ; 2 stars 0 pc ; 1 star 11 pcs.
It has been 13 months since I completed my treatments at QC Kinetix. While there has been minor improvement, my pain and soreness persists daily. I assumed I
3 reviews of QC Kinetix - Austin "I wanted to put this review in because I have never written a review before but this is an extremely expensive procedure
QC Kinetix has an overall rating of 3.4 out of 5, based on over 17 reviews left anonymously by employees. 53% of employees would recommend working at QC Kinetix
The upshot? This is what I have come to expect from QC Kinetix. In my opinion, this is an aggressive sales outfit that runs clinics staffed by
Wonderful staff and management. Busy environment but great support from corporate to site with all aspects of care. It's a great place to work and see patient's
QC Kinetix provides “non-surgical regenerative medicine services.” They provide services like Joint Pain Treatment, Hair Restoration
"QC KINETIX IS A SCAM! Please Listen!! My mother has suffered from the problems of Osteoarthritis for many years now. Pain from her elbows, knee